ROBERT WITOLD GOSCIMINSKI

Robert

Niagara Falls, New York

October 22, 2007

DAWN MICHELLE GONZALES

Palo Alto College

History 1302 - Fall 2007

 

INTRODUCTION
TRANSCRIPTION
ANALYSIS
TIMELINE
BIBLIOGRAPHY

 

INTRODUCTION

Robert Witold Gosciminski "GUS" was born on the chilly morning of October 21, 1942. Although his family lived in
Chicopee, Massachusetts, he was born at Mercy Hospital in Springfield, Massachusetts to Witold Walenty (Valentine) and Marisza (Mary) Regina Gosciminski. He has one brother - Richard; and one sister - Wanda. Mr. Gosciminski graduated from Ludlow High School in June, 1960. In July of 1960, he joined the US Navy. He worked as a photographer for the Navy for 3 years. In October of 1963, although having passed his exams to be promoted, he chose to go into the Inactive Ready Reserves (IRR) for two years, before being completely out of the military.

Upon getting out of the military, he worked in the photography field for several different companies. He worked for NASA, Washington Post, and Davis Studio. One of his memorable assignments during this time was taking photos of John Glenn while he was addressing the US Congress after returning from space.

Upon returning home after his father became sick, Mr. Gosciminski attended University of Massachusetts. His major was that of journalism. He chose the field so that he would be able to write news stories to go with his photographs. During college he was the photo editor for the Daily Collegian, Engineering Journal, Student Humor and Arts magazines, and the alumni magazine. A memorable assignment during this time was taking Natalie Coles' picture.

On February 14, 1992, Robert married Helen A. Weber (nee Ziemba). In doing so, he acquired two daughters, Barb and Dawn; both giving him grandchildren - two granddaughters (Jessicca and Elizabeth) and one grandson (Michael). He also acquired two sons - William and Andrew. He says "acquired" as no one felt the need to do the "adoption" thing, as they were all adults; but consider him to be their "Dad".

In his spare time, Mr. Gosciminski enjoys working in his gardens - vegetables and flowers. He also enjoys reading - which is proven by his extensive library (over 5,000 books!). During the winter, he is confused with Santa by children, which gives us all enjoyment.

 

 

TRANSCRIPTION

Please describe what your neighborhood was like??
We lived in a small town - less than 5000 people. There were a few farm houses in the area. The housing contractor had about 6 building lots on our street. Our house was the first on the street, and the other lots were in process of development for about two years. The road was dirt, with no street lights and no sewers; it was considered a private road until all lots were developed, so no town services (but the town sometimes did plow it in the winter anyway). The town of Ludlow was situated on the Chicopee River - the other side of the river was Springfield. The town offices, schools, post office, bank, factory and hospital were all next to the river. We lived about 1 1/2 miles out, in what used to be farming area but was starting to be developed. There were woods all around where we picked blueberries and mushrooms, ponds where we skated in winter and fished in summer. Nearby there was a dairy farm where they also grew some vegetables; and a turkey farm where we got eggs (turkey eggs are HUGE - equal to about 2 grade-A Large chicken eggs). The nearest kids my age lived down near the town; aside from school I only saw others my age when at band practice or at Boy Scout meetings. Social life was nil.

What were your schools (Elementary, Middle, and High) like? Did you have "Bomb Drills?"
Classes were approx 30 students, 1 teacher (no aides). No uniforms, but must be neatly dressed (no jeans - girls wore dresses). Outer wear was hung in coat room (walk-in closet) or rack at back of classroom. Elementary School (1-2-3) - Ate lunch at desk, school supplied milk. Starting in Grade School (4-5-6) and Junior High (7-8) we had cafeteria, but most brought lunches. Seniors (9 through 12) usually bought lunches (25 cents for hot lunch, 15 for salad or fruit cup, 5 for milk or deserts). Never any soda or junk food!! Schools supplied all necessities. Ink wells in upper left corner of desks were filled after third grade - we had to write cursive in ink, and practice penmanship. (Pens were wood fitted with steel nibs - one dip into well allowed you to write about five letters, then you had to dip again.) From 7th grade to graduation we used fountain pens, which we supplied. Ball point pens were not allowed (too expensive, and very unreliable).

In Junior High through High School we had Bomb Drills - if short warning: sit or lie on floor under your desk; if there was time after warning: go down to basement, sit against wall. Some schools had emergency supplies (water, food, first aid kits).

In High School we pretty much treated bomb drills sort of like fire drills - it ain't gonna happen. (Joke was that if there was an air raid, duck into the boy's room urinal - nobody ever hits that. Also, put head between legs and kiss your butt goodbye.) Seeing that we lived only a few miles from Westover AFB where they stored most of the nukes for Strategic Air Command (B36, B47, B52 and B58 long-range bombers), we figured that if we got hit the bombs would all go off at once; there would be a giant crater and all of us would be gone anyway. I doubt that anyone worried about it after a while. I worried more about school, or about affording bus fare to go to Springfield (big city) to movies or museums.

What did you do after school?
Due to overcrowding, we were on ˝ sessions. Classes were only 40 minutes long, with 5 minutes to move between classes. Senior High started at 7:30 through 12:00 and Junior High started 12:30 through 5:00. In JH went to band practice before school, and in HS band was 1 hour after school MWF. I did most of my homework in study hall. After school or after band practice, went home; started supper, ˝ hour daily practice clarinet (Tuesday ˝ hr lesson from a pro musician - $2.50 at first then $3.50), did chores (gardening & yard work), and delivered evening papers (they were brought in about 4:00 PM). After supper did remaining homework (about 1 hour). Monday & Tuesday library until 9:00 PM; Wednesday NRA Rifle Range, Thursday Boy Scouts, Friday nights go to movies. Saturday chores in AM; PM I went to work with my Father at his second job. Sometimes I helped my Father with his carpentry, but other times I picked up slabs of field stone (my Father and I built field stone planters and a field stone fireplace in our back yard). I also collected buckets of peat that the contractor had dredged from a swamp - the peat was mixed into the topsoil as a nutrient for our gardens. During winter tried to get in some ice skating after doing my paper route, and played hockey on Saturdays; we were surrounded by ponds, so there was always a place to skate. If I saved enough, I could take a bus to Springfield on Saturday afternoon - after I was 12 years old.

Robert Gosciminski at age 17 in Ludlow High School yearbook (1959) High School yearbook 'biography'

What did your parents do for a living?
My Father was a machinist at American Bosch (Bosch was originally a German-owned company, taken away by government during World War Two - manufactured diesel engine parts); in later years he was chief inspector. Occasionally he worked part-time as a printer, but later worked weekends as a carpenter for a local housing contractor - Mom worked at Westinghouse winding armatures for electric motors - then she learned to type and worked at Massachusetts Mutual Insurance company as clerk in Policy Loan dept.

Did you and your family, being Polish, face any discrimination?
Not Really. Definitely Not for being Polish. The town was settled in the 1600s by political and religious refugees from England. Later immigrants were mostly Scots, who lived out in the sticks. A lumber boom brought in a wave of French Canadian lumberjacks, who brought their families with them and stayed. In the early 1900s several Polish immigrants came to work in the jute mill - they stayed in the country. Around late 1930s some Portuguese immigrated into the town. Each nationality set up in separate communities. Each group had its own religion - there were Anglicans, Methodists, and Presbyterians on one side, and Roman Catholic on the other. The Roman Catholic churches were Christ the King (Polish), St Jean Batiste (French), and Our Lady of Fatima (Portuguese). Our family was Polish National Catholic, which had broken away from the Roman Catholics in the early 1900s. So, we were not really welcomed by any of the local Roman Catholics. Eventually we were accepted by the protestant groups, but were still treated as newcomers. It was not really discrimination, but I myself felt out of place. Mostly because I didn't really try to fit in with any one particular group - I did OK with Band and Boy Scouts though.

Did the recession hit your family hard?
I am not sure which one you mean - we've had several. The first recession that I recall was around 1950 - (or perhaps 1952 - 53 during Eisenhower's presidency). I was probably too young to understand the full impact. I know that there was inflation, prices were high, and people were kind of disgusted with politicians and big corporations - General Motors tried to break labor unions and defended its actions with the statement "What is good for GM is good for the USA". Comic strips such as "L'il Abner" lampooned the situation - a multimillionaire industrialist named General Bullmoose lobbied Senator Fogbound to destroy the town of Dogpatch, where Abner was trying to get a raise for himself - he cut the little moons in outhouse doors for $1.00 per week. But our family continued as normal - My father still worked his factory job during the week; on weekends he still worked as a carpenter. Mom also worked; first in a plastics factory, then after she learned to type she got a better job at Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance - at the main office in Springfield. That's also about the time I started my paper route.

I remember that I wore a lot of leftover military uniforms that my uncle Ed purchased out of the base laundry - a lot of the military had been discharged after WW2, and they never bothered to stick around for their uniforms to come back from the laundry. The uniforms fit, they wore like iron, and I didn't care if I was called "Sarge" for a while by the kids in my boy scout troop. I was never on the best-dressed list in school, but who cared? The next recession came around 1960 - I had just graduated from high school. My job at the Wall Street Journal had ended, and I could not get a job anywhere else without at least two years experience. That's when I joined the Navy. I was seventeen then, so my parents had to sign for me to go. Then I was so busy the civilian financial situation didn't affect me at all.

What was your 1st job?
My first job was probably my paper route, age 11 through 14. The route was about 100 customers, and I had to buy it from the previous paper delivery boy. I made about 2 cents per daily paper and about 4 cents for Sunday papers (though not as many of those), enough to cover school lunches, music lessons and an occasional soda after school; also used it to pay for movies. We got about $7 total per week which was split with my sister and brother - they had small parts of the route close to home, while I went about 1 ˝ miles up the road. This money was in lieu of an allowance - we had to earn it. At 14, I worked as kitchen boy in a YMCA camp. I lived at the camp all summer, and washed dishes, assisted the cook, and was general all-around gofer. Got my room and board and a couple dollars per week (which I got stiffed on - the camp director said they were losing money and couldn't pay the kitchen crew).

At 15 I worked on a tobacco farm, where they grew shade-grown broadleaf that was used for outer wrappers on cigars (the tobacco was grown under cheesecloth tents that provided enough shade to protect the fragile leaves). I started by tying strings from the tent support wires to the seedlings; suckering (trimming small bottom leaves from stems); winding (as tobacco grew; wrap strings around stems to support plant); and finally, picking mature leaves. For this I got 30 cents an hour. Quit in mid-summer and got a job as dishwasher for Howard Johnson's restaurant on the I90 (Massachusetts Turnpike) for 75 cents an hour! This was good pay - my father made about $1.50 per hour as a skilled machinist. Because this was a paying job I had to pay room & board - $10 per week. At 16, I got a job as copy boy and wire services assistant with the Wall Street Journal, which was published in Chicopee Falls. The hours were from 1:00 to 9:00 PM, which fit in with our school schedule. My duties were to collect printed copy and encoded punched tape from the Associated Press teletype machines, bring the copy to the editors, and the encoded tapes to the automated Linotypers for conversion to blocks of type. When the blocks of type were done, I would ink the blocks and print galley proofs, take the proofs to the editors for correction, then back to the Linotype operators so they could correct the wording as necessary. I also did some proofreading and printed an occasional photo from the wire photo machine. This was the first job where I did something that mattered.

Was it hard to keep your grades up while working?
Not really, but as I had been doing chores and working since I was 12, I was used to it. Just a matter of scheduling for most stuff, but when high-school exams came I had to change my schedules around a lot. My sister and brother had to take over some of my chores.

Dad in a Ludlow High School band picture- Ludlow, Massachusetts (1959-60)

Was working or your education more important?
They both were of equal importance. Education was first on everyone's list, so we were under a little pressure to excel. My grandparents were educated up to what we currently call middle school level, my parents and their siblings all graduated high school, and a few of my cousins and I went on to college. Everyone in our family was proud of us getting so far. Work was equally important for me. My parents started literally from scratch with no financial assistance, so I had to earn money to pay for everything beyond the basics: bicycle, music lessons and instruments, books, etc. Work also taught me to discipline myself; scheduling my own time to complete work, chores, and schoolwork.

Did you have time to interact with your sister or brother? If so, what did y'all do?
Yes. We were a closely knit family, and we were involved in each other's activities. There was nothing special that we did together - but I do recall we were into board games and jigsaw puzzles as a family thing, and I would use scraps of lumber from my father's carpentry job to make wooden toys for my brother and myself to play with.

What were holidays like in the 50s?
Almost everyone I knew celebrated in much the same manner. Holidays all were celebrated at home with the immediate family; then we all went to church. After church everyone congregated at the Grandparents houses. The priest and a couple altar boys came around before each religious holiday to bless the house and family, (and to sample the food and drink). When I was an altar boy I took my turn; I spent one afternoon before each holiday going around with the priest. I had to either carry incense and vials of holy water, or the big Polish-language bible (it was HEAVY). We went to my father's parents for Christmas Eve, then to my mother's parents for Christmas Day. Same thing for Easter, Mother's Day, and Father's Day, except everything took place the same day which meant lunch at one place and supper at the other. This was a great time to visit with cousins who lived so far away that we only saw them on holidays. The cousins all gathered in one room and played games and stuff, while grown-ups did their thing - men in the kitchen and women in the living room. Holiday meals there were in two seatings: kids first, then adults. I was the oldest of the local cousins, and my grandfather sometimes would add a little extra rum flavoring to my eggnog (when nobody was looking, of course). Both grandmothers, a couple aunts and my mother made traditional Polish holiday foods. In later years my parents hosted the Christmas Eve festivities; I helped my mother prepare a lot of the foods, so now I make some of the foods for our holidays too.

What would you consider to be the highlights of the 1950s?
* Watching Queen Elizabeth's coronation on TV in school auditorium (live via transatlantic telephone cable - very poor quality picture, but interesting)

* Presidential Campaign - Dwight Eisenhower vs. Adlai Stevenson. Lots of vicious mudslinging in Gubernatorial and local-level campaigns. (Democrats were associated with communists, and Big Business was supposed to be the answer for everything. "What's good for General Motors is good for the USA." was the new Republican slogan.) Somebody flooded the schools with "I Like Ike" campaign buttons, and comic books showing Stalin and Lenin taking over the Capital building with help of liberal congressmen.

* Watching Eisenhower's Presidential Inauguration on school TV.

* Getting our own TV, so we didn't have to go down the street to a neighbor's house. (All of the kids in the neighborhood would gather to watch "Howdy Doody".)

* Watching McCarthy hearings on our own TV. McCarthy was finding communists everywhere (commies were scary, but McCarthy was scarier!). Many actors were accused of being communists, and were blacklisted (not allowed to work in US).

* Development of Polio Vaccine was the most important (one of my classmates had polio - infantile paralysis - he was eventually taken to a hospital and put into an iron lung which helped him to breathe).

* Russians launching first artificial satellite Sputnik in 1957 (The US was supposed to be first into space - we were all in shock).

* Eventually getting our own satellites up into orbit: Jupiter C missile launched bullet-shaped "Explorer", and Vanguard launched softball-sized baby moon.

* Transistor radios - no vacuum tubes, radio was about size of deck of cards. Cheap Japanese knock-offs flood the market.

* Rock music: Elvis Presley, Pat Boone, Annette Funicello, Frankie Avalon, Connie Francis, Debby Reynolds, Ricky Nelson, Bill Hailey & the Comets, Royal Teens, Everly Brothers, etc.

* Eisenhower recession - no entry-level jobs available without several years experience. Runaway inflation.

You said that a classmate had had polio, were you ever worried or scared that you might contract it?
Yes, but as with every other worry we didn't dwell on it. It affected us in several ways; the town closed down the local beach one summer because he had been swimming there, and they were afraid it would be contagious.

What did you think of Russia's' satellite and our satellites?
I was angry that the USSR beat us into space with the Sputnik; the US was supposed to be first. As it turned out, the only reason the Soviets did that was they wanted to test out a new ballistic missile, so sent the Sputnik un-instrumented radio beeper into orbit to show the world that they could hit any target on Earth. Our Vanguard satellite use a specially designed rocket booster rather than a standard ICBM, and it failed several times (I believe it was an error in the blueprints that caused a crucial valve to be installed upside down, dumping liquid fuel into the engine instead of injecting it as a fine spray). So our first satellite was put into space by a "Jupiter C" ICBM - the Explorer actually had instruments that discovered the Van Allen radiation belts. Werner Von Braun originally opposed this, but I guess he finally agreed to it - he had wanted to use a rocket designed specifically for the purpose - preferably a reusable spaceplane booster with a pilot to fly it back. (During World War Two, the Soviets captured the German rocket facility at Peenemunde, and conscripted the captured scientists into the Soviet missile program. A few key scientists, including Werner Von Braun, escaped and were employed in the US missile program. We had propaganda too; the press put it out that the USSR had more Germans, but the US got the better Germans.)

Robert (Gus) Gosciminski in 1983

Why did you join the Navy?
Mostly I think it was because my Father and a couple uncles were in the Navy, but also because I had no desire to be in the infantry and be in combat - a guy could get hurt that way. The Navy recruiter promised me a good school and relatively rapid advancement, and I could take college courses while in the Navy - none of the other services could match that kind of incentive.

Robert and Helen (Dad and Mom) in ...

What did you like most, working at NASA?
I guess that I enjoyed being on the cutting edge of technology, contributing to the effort to explore (and someday colonize) other worlds. "..to boldly go where no man has gone before…" I also really liked working with top-of-the-line photo equipment. On the Tiros weather satellite was a video camera that transmitted pictures back to our lab. When the Tiros was directly over Wallops Island, I triggered the camera and took a picture of the east coast of the continent - Wallops Island was in the center of the frame. These days with Google Earth anybody can do it with much better resolution, but at the time (1965) my photo was unique! Only a few can make a similar claim. The same goes for photographing launches of satellites - I am still proud of working with them, and thinking of what those things could (and did) accomplish.

Did you get to personally meet John Glenn, when you took his photo for NASA?
Yes, I did meet him - not personally, though, but as part of a large group. Colonel Glen was quite a celebrity. He was surrounded by news photographers and all other media types at all times. I doubt that he was comfortable with that, but he put up with it. He seemed nice enough, cordial but kind of distant.

Dad at University of Massachusetts- 1968

What was it like working as the photo editor for your college newspaper?
It was fun! At about 9AM daily I would go up to the news office and set up assignments for the day's photo shoots - this involved preparing equipment and film, and selecting the photographer for the job. Later in the afternoon, I processed and printed the photos, then brought the pictures to the editors to incorporate into the stories. By 9:00 in the evening, we laid out the pages and sent them to the printer. Because of the work involved, mine was the only paid position on the newspaper. I used the office as a study hall, and had typewriters and supplies at my disposal. Most of my classes required writing (I was a Journalism/Mass Communication major, so I had news assignments, radio and TV scripts for communications classes, and training plans for the education classes), so having a typewriter available was like heaven.

Did you get to personally meet Natalie Cole, when you took her photo in college?
Yes. You cannot shoot glamour portraits and news feature photos of anyone without getting to know them a bit first. Natalie was a very personable outgoing type of girl; not snobbish or anything. She was a talented singer, and was a natural in front of the camera.

My Dad doing his job of a retoucher, for an ad for Kodak in Massachusetts(circa 1969)

Is there anything else you would like to add to this interview?
A few things, mostly unrelated but all happening during the same general time period.

*I guess it was about 1949 or 50 when General McArthur thought the best way to stop the Chinese Communists was to encircle the country with a border of radioactive material, and to use nuclear weapons if they tried to break out. I don't remember all the details, but in the end he was relieved of his command by President Truman. He was allowed to address congress when he left his command; he stated that he was just going to fade away in history. Very soon after that a song became popular on the radio. The lyrics went something like: "Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away…...".

*In the Nineteen-Fifties the McCarthy senate Investigation hearings were televised, and while I was laid up watching was about the only entertainment in the afternoon. I was about 12 or so at the time. It was disturbing to me that the man had found a list of hundreds of communists infesting the entertainment industry, and that the accused all refused to answer his questions by invoking the Fifth Amendment. Later I learned that the list was non-existent, and that the Senator was just trying to make a name for himself. (In the process he destroyed people's lives for having liberal viewpoints.) They almost got the Fifth Amendment abolished, too. One of the accused was an actor who portrayed "Captain Video" on a live Sci-Fi show about space exploration. The show was a daily 15-minute serial, and it received several awards for special effects (rockets, radio-controlled robots for exploring in poisonous atmospheres, high-speed submarines, etc.). Anyway, the last show was a two-hour episode in which a political bloc was trying to outlaw scientific research and was responsible for sabotage of the Captain's space exploration programs, reprogramming of the exploration robot to kill its creators, and other atrocities - when the Captain and his crew tried to defend themselves in a courtroom, they were not allowed to testify, and when they left I think that the ship was shot down or otherwise destroyed. In any case, the show never ran again, and the actors all got jobs in Europe under different names.

*As an aside to this: Ronald Reagan was head of the actor's union. When He was interrogated he quit the union, changed his political party, and became a supporter of Senator McCarthy.

*Around 1958 the French decided to get out of their colonies in Indo-China. Somehow, we took over where DeGaulle left off in Dien-Bien-Phu. We sent marines into Laos and Cambodia and sent "advisors" to Viet Nam. The cold war heated up a bit - the USSR and Communist China immediately were opposed to us there too. A few of my friends were quite concerned about this, and made plans to get into college immediately upon graduation so they could escape the draft.

*When I was in the Navy I was stationed in the White House photo lab, which was located near Washington DC at the Naval Photographic Center (NPC) on Anacostia Naval Air Station (NAS). This was where the presidential helicopters were kept, and the Marines unit that maintained and flew them were stationed in the next barracks. I was on duty the day that President John Kennedy announced on TV that the Soviets were putting missiles in Cuba, and we were going to stop them. We immediately went onto high alert, and our photo lab crew was assigned to guarding planes (including the president's helicopter). This was the first and only time that we were armed for guard duty, and the weapons were loaded with live ammunition. We thought that a real shooting war was about to erupt, and we were in the middle of Ground Zero for all of the USSR nuclear weapons. That was scary. Fortunately, Khrushchev backed down.

 

 

Robert and Helen at their Valentine/Anniversary dinner in Canada (2003) Robert with wife - Helen, daughter - Barb and grandchildren - Jessicca, Elizabeth and Michael; at Niagara Falls (Canadian side) in 1996 Robert with son - Bill, daughter - Dawn and grandson - Michael, at the Niagara Falls AFB Air Show in 1996

 

ANALYSIS

Historically, I know why Russia had their satellite up first, which also tells me how aggressive they truly can be. I also realize just how frightened the government was of our country coming under direct attack. I realize there was more to the Cold War than I first thought.

Personally, I learned more about what made my Dad the man that he is today. I know what is was like for families growing up in the 1950s, which wasn't in any of the history textbooks I was ever given in school (at least that I can recall). I learned how to some my Dad had it hard growing up - going to school, working and helping pay his way by paying his parents for room and board; whereas to him, it wasn't that hard at all. I also realize that even back then, not everyone went straight from high school to college; but that some went to work first, then onto college.

 

 

TIMELINE

 

 

ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY


Springfield, Massachusetts History of Springfield, Massachusetts. Robert Gosciminski was born here in 1942. This page was last modified 20:18, 21 October 2007. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. (See Copyrights for details.) Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a U.S. registered 501(c)(3) tax-deductible nonprofit charity.

Chicopee, Massachusetts History of Chicopee, Massachusetts. Robert Gosciminski lived here from 1942 to 1950. This page was last modified 21:44, 10 November 2007. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. (See Copyrights for details.) Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a U.S. registered 501(c)(3) tax-deductible nonprofit charity.

The Army-McCarthy Hearings. This page gives full details on the court hearings of McCarthy's claims against the U.S. Army. de Antonio, Emile, and Daniel Talbot. Point of Order! A Documentary of the Army-McCarthy Hearings. New York: Norton, 1964. Straight, Michael. Trial by Television. Boston: Beacon, 1954.

Polar-orbiting Satellites: The First to be Launched. Contains information on the tiros satellites such as launch dates, number and use.

NASA Sputnik. This page is from Sputniks 50th Anniversary with details pertaining to the events surrounding its launch. Updated October 10, 2007 Steve Garber, NASA History Web Curator For further information E-mail histinfo@hq.nasa.gov

NASA John Glenn autobiography is a website with multiple links to information on the astronaut and on the research center named in his honor. Editor: Kathleen Zona NASA Official: Brian Dunbar Last Updated: April 23, 2007

Natalie Cole Fan page - Simply Unforgettable. Biographical and professional information on Natalie Cole.Copyright 2004 by iwishyoulove

 

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